there is indeed a Queer Honi. this week only, get it at your nearest publication stand! (there's one inside the Holme Building, stop by on your way to the bus)
and the Jesus Page rocks :D seriously. (assuming you are not a conservative christian, that is)
and EU are Anglicans. Sydney Anglicans specifically (other anglicans tend to be on the saner side of things). The cute thing with Anglicans is that the more 'high church' (ie Catholic-like) their services get, the more liberal their theology gets. Broadly speaking. Sydney Anglicans are mostly very low church... and correspondingly conservative.
backwards how? it seems weird... but that's because people make the mistake of confusing 'modern' with 'liberal'. There are plenty of very low church protestants out there who are screamingly conservative.
O'course the Catholic church gets a bad rap for conservative policies when it comes to gender and sex, but otherwise Catholic theology (i think) tends towards the more left wing, in matters of social justice and economics and the like. Similarly 'Anglo-Catholics' tend to be more lefty than their hard line protestant fellows.
*shrugs* i'm not a modern church historian, so i can't explain the phenomenom properly. I merely find it amusing :p
no, you may not steal my copy. a) it's just as much effort for you to find me to steal it and b) a friend in newcastle has demanded that i keep all my copies for her.
you may also find Honi in the Education Building foyer, in Manning, in the Eastern Avenue Lecture Theatre, and in Wentworth.
the problem with getting it myself (and yes, I do realise this sounds like me whinging) is that the way I would go about it would attract far too much attention. I'd look lost and confused, would need to ask for directions, and would then by all shy and guilty-looking, not to mention the obvious awkwardness that I carry everywhere I go. So I may just have to pass.
and I was thinking more along the lines of scanning/photographing The Jesus Page anyway, and letting me "steal" that.
Well, the Anglican church was born out of a split from the Catholic church, was it not? Because they believed/wanted/needed different things to what Catholicism offered. So it just makes sense in my head that the more Catholic they are (i.e. the Higher they are) the more conservative they should be. But I am no historian nor theologian, so I could be very very very wrong.
was responding in reverse order on purpose, in response my "backwards" comment? or just something random?
no, i just happen to naturally work upwards a lot of the time...
The Anglican church's origin is different to a lot of other Protestant denominations... Luther and Calvin, say (Lutherans and Presbyterians respectively), were definite theological reformers who saw the Catholic church of their day as having strayed. They didn't set out to create new churches, but when they got excommunicated they set about it with glee.
Anglicans came into being when Henry VIII decided he wanted a divorce and the Pope wouldn't give it to him. He set himself up as head of the church (no other protestant church has a 'head' like that), and, since he had some mild reformers in his court, let them go at it. Edward, who succeeded him, was Very Very Protestant, and went around changing the liturgy and so on. Mary was Cathoic and changed it all back. Elizabeth was Mildly Protestant, and managed to balance the new reformers against the traditionalists... Basically, the Protestantness of the Anglican church is rather chequered, and has stayed so to this day. If you go to Barneys they don't follow a liturgy and are screamingly conservative; if you go to St Laurence in Railway Square they're more catholic than the catholics and all as camp as a row of tents.
and of course there are several centuries between then and now... and local needs tend to shape the nature of any global church. Anglicans in Africa are just as conservative as Catholics on matters of sex; in America they're ordaining women and homosexuals (although no one who's both, that i know of); and in Australia the Archbishop of Sydney is a leading force in the global anti-female ordination/ anti-homosexual movement, whereas the Archbishops of Perth and Brisbane (i think???) are famously liberal.
Stuart Thompson told me this beautiful story a few weeks ago... he was in a theological debate with a Barneys anglican. When asked what denomination he was, this fellow replied 'well I go to an Anglican church, but just broadly I'm Protestant.' Wherupon Stuart looked down his nose at him and said 'Well I go to an Anglican church and I'm not a Protestant.'
oh dear. you really are very shy, aren't you? i can see what i can do about scanning the Jesus Page. not sure if the scanner is big enough, though. seriously. publication stands are very easy to find. Particularly in Holme- you go in the big doors near the doctors, and there they are.
you know what wonderous sight you missed at 5 past 5 on the lawns in front of Fisher today?
Me, dancing 'Father Abraham' with great abandon in the middle of campus :D:D
woah - save the longest one for when I go to sleep, why don't you?
I know how the Anglican church was started, Amy. I have gone to Catholic schools all my life, and Religion was compulsory. Though I must say I didn't know the contemporary stuff.
And me thinks I shall have to visit St Lawrence.
And, like I said in the meme, I'm not shy when I'm not insecure. Sadly, I'm insecure a lot of the time (which is why I worded it the way I did).
There's a doctor in Holme?
AMY!!! Why did you have to do it so late? If only you'd done it 5 hours earlier (or 23 hours later and closer to Manning/Transient), I would have seen you dancing... dancing... um, what is "Father Abraham"?
And I can't believe I still haven't just randomly run into you on campus. I know it's big, but... you LIVE there!
every time you sing it you add a body part, and every time you add a body part you sing it again, shaking that body part. Right arm, left arm, right leg, left leg, nod your head, turn around, and finish on SIT DOWN! so there was me waving all my limbs and jerking around in a circle singing sunday school songs :p
good thing I sleep with one eye open. I knew sharing room with my older brother would pay off sooner of later.
ooooh, I definitely have to visit them now :D:D:D
How did I not know this?
I never went to Sunday School, so why would I know Sunday School songs?
So it's kinda like the Biblical Hokey-Pokey, with a touch of Ring-Around-The-Rosey for good measure?
hey, don't blame me - I'm always on the look-out for people I know because it happens so infrequently, and even when it does they ignore me... :(. Just yesterday I stalked one of my friends from halfway across the Quadrangle (and she was walking away from me when I noticed her). So, you see, I think it is you who is not trying hard enough.
St Augustine and his contemporaries did not consider the Book of Revelations to be a prophecy. Quite what they thought it was i'm not sure, as my history teacher is not a theologian. However it seems the expectation that John's mushroom-vision would be played out at the end of the world didn't come into being until the turn of the first century.
That, or it's an attempt to improve the quality of self-confidence in some males, and maybe even increase their chances at reproducing (or at least getting the chance to try).
yes, well, suit seemed to improve confidence of man in question far enought that he ventured to holding hands... give it a few more months and there might even be kissing.
nah, i'm not really complaining. i think it's cute, actually...
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read Queer Honi. then cut out The Jesus Page and save it for such time as you choose to tell your parents just how nice you think boys are.
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You really need to have such teams on stand-by at all times, and within walkie-talking distance to summon them at a moment's notice.
There's a Queer Honi? Damn! Do I know anything about my Uni?
And... are you just setting me up for a fall there? The Jesus Page sounds a little... sus, to say the least.
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and the Jesus Page rocks :D seriously. (assuming you are not a conservative christian, that is)
and EU are Anglicans. Sydney Anglicans specifically (other anglicans tend to be on the saner side of things). The cute thing with Anglicans is that the more 'high church' (ie Catholic-like) their services get, the more liberal their theology gets. Broadly speaking. Sydney Anglicans are mostly very low church... and correspondingly conservative.
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no, I'm not (something I thought you would have picked up on by now, but oh well).
*stunned* isn't that a little... backwards?
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O'course the Catholic church gets a bad rap for conservative policies when it comes to gender and sex, but otherwise Catholic theology (i think) tends towards the more left wing, in matters of social justice and economics and the like. Similarly 'Anglo-Catholics' tend to be more lefty than their hard line protestant fellows.
*shrugs* i'm not a modern church historian, so i can't explain the phenomenom properly. I merely find it amusing :p
no, you may not steal my copy. a) it's just as much effort for you to find me to steal it and b) a friend in newcastle has demanded that i keep all my copies for her.
you may also find Honi in the Education Building foyer, in Manning, in the Eastern Avenue Lecture Theatre, and in Wentworth.
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and I was thinking more along the lines of scanning/photographing The Jesus Page anyway, and letting me "steal" that.
Well, the Anglican church was born out of a split from the Catholic church, was it not? Because they believed/wanted/needed different things to what Catholicism offered. So it just makes sense in my head that the more Catholic they are (i.e. the Higher they are) the more conservative they should be. But I am no historian nor theologian, so I could be very very very wrong.
was responding in reverse order on purpose, in response my "backwards" comment? or just something random?
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The Anglican church's origin is different to a lot of other Protestant denominations... Luther and Calvin, say (Lutherans and Presbyterians respectively), were definite theological reformers who saw the Catholic church of their day as having strayed. They didn't set out to create new churches, but when they got excommunicated they set about it with glee.
Anglicans came into being when Henry VIII decided he wanted a divorce and the Pope wouldn't give it to him. He set himself up as head of the church (no other protestant church has a 'head' like that), and, since he had some mild reformers in his court, let them go at it. Edward, who succeeded him, was Very Very Protestant, and went around changing the liturgy and so on. Mary was Cathoic and changed it all back. Elizabeth was Mildly Protestant, and managed to balance the new reformers against the traditionalists...
Basically, the Protestantness of the Anglican church is rather chequered, and has stayed so to this day. If you go to Barneys they don't follow a liturgy and are screamingly conservative; if you go to St Laurence in Railway Square they're more catholic than the catholics and all as camp as a row of tents.
and of course there are several centuries between then and now... and local needs tend to shape the nature of any global church. Anglicans in Africa are just as conservative as Catholics on matters of sex; in America they're ordaining women and homosexuals (although no one who's both, that i know of); and in Australia the Archbishop of Sydney is a leading force in the global anti-female ordination/ anti-homosexual movement, whereas the Archbishops of Perth and Brisbane (i think???) are famously liberal.
Stuart Thompson told me this beautiful story a few weeks ago... he was in a theological debate with a Barneys anglican. When asked what denomination he was, this fellow replied 'well I go to an Anglican church, but just broadly I'm Protestant.' Wherupon Stuart looked down his nose at him and said 'Well I go to an Anglican church and I'm not a Protestant.'
oh dear. you really are very shy, aren't you?
i can see what i can do about scanning the Jesus Page. not sure if the scanner is big enough, though.
seriously. publication stands are very easy to find. Particularly in Holme- you go in the big doors near the doctors, and there they are.
you know what wonderous sight you missed at 5 past 5 on the lawns in front of Fisher today?
Me, dancing 'Father Abraham' with great abandon in the middle of campus :D:D
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I know how the Anglican church was started, Amy. I have gone to Catholic schools all my life, and Religion was compulsory. Though I must say I didn't know the contemporary stuff.
And me thinks I shall have to visit St Lawrence.
And, like I said in the meme, I'm not shy when I'm not insecure. Sadly, I'm insecure a lot of the time (which is why I worded it the way I did).
There's a doctor in Holme?
AMY!!! Why did you have to do it so late? If only you'd done it 5 hours earlier (or 23 hours later and closer to Manning/Transient), I would have seen you dancing... dancing... um, what is "Father Abraham"?
And I can't believe I still haven't just randomly run into you on campus. I know it's big, but... you LIVE there!
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oh pfft :p i'm just compensating for the fact that i don't know anything about the middle bit between Henry VII and Peter Jensen...
St Laurence have the best choir in the country, i'm told. and they do gregorian chanting and stuff. for that alone they're worth a visit.
Yes. There's a doctor in Holme. And a chemist.
Obviously your catholic upbringing is good for nothing, if you don't know Father Abraham.
http://www.ebibleteacher.com/children/songs.htm#Father%20Abraham
every time you sing it you add a body part, and every time you add a body part you sing it again, shaking that body part. Right arm, left arm, right leg, left leg, nod your head, turn around, and finish on SIT DOWN!
so there was me waving all my limbs and jerking around in a circle singing sunday school songs :p
you're clearly not trying hard enough.
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ooooh, I definitely have to visit them now :D:D:D
How did I not know this?
I never went to Sunday School, so why would I know Sunday School songs?
So it's kinda like the Biblical Hokey-Pokey, with a touch of Ring-Around-The-Rosey for good measure?
hey, don't blame me - I'm always on the look-out for people I know
because it happens so infrequently, and even when it does they ignore me... :(. Just yesterday I stalked one of my friends from halfway across the Quadrangle (and she was walking away from me when I noticed her). So, you see, I think it is you who is not trying hard enough.(no subject)
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St Augustine and his contemporaries did not consider the Book of Revelations to be a prophecy. Quite what they thought it was i'm not sure, as my history teacher is not a theologian. However it seems the expectation that John's mushroom-vision would be played out at the end of the world didn't come into being until the turn of the first century.
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thanks :P
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dear god, the inventer of the suit was a genius... *melts into pink fluffy puddle*
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This is an underhanded attempt to sabotage my mental coherancy.
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nah, i'm not really complaining. i think it's cute, actually...
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Suits = Sex, in cloth form.
btw, is the middle name of your Steven Schubert Donald?
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